Turns out, the river is 500 miles away

Sometimes, I really with that I believed in “The Universe.” Such as “The Universe is using me as a giant portapotty.” or “The Universe wants to tie me to the train tracks and run over me.”

I went to the Birthing Center yesterday. It was nice. It was, you know, a birthing center. Good. While there, I decided “Yes I will have the baby here.”

And then, then, The Universe came into play.

This birthing center is literally 5 minutes away from my house. At times, it could be even closer than the hospital. But? It is not considered “in” my “network” for my insurance.

For those of you not sure of what I mean, it means that my insurance doesn’t play nice with the birthing center. They do not want me to use them. Instead, they’d rather me go to another center, which is “in” my network, which happens to be over two hours away in a rinky dink small town.

Uh, no.

(Before we go any further, please, people from other countries, do not tell me how much the American health system sucks. I do not think I can handle it right now.)

So that means that instead of paying 10% of the total cost of the birth, I will now have to pay $1700ish instead of $500ish. Maybe that’s not a lot for some of you, but for me, that’s just not pretty.

The sad thing is, the birthing center ACTUALLY COSTS LESS THAN THE HOSPITAL! But? Since my insurance is run by dummies with their heads up their butts, I will have to pay a lot more! HA!

The decision to have a baby in a birthing center was not an easy one. In fact, I am still filled with some fear and uncertainty when it comes to doing something “different.” The fact that it should have costed less was helping me out.

Now? I’m doing something different, no pain meds AND I’LL PAY MORE FOR IT!

I feel sick. I try not to use too many four letter words on here, but I feel like shit. I feel this way because what I thought was best for me, best for my family, isn’t the best financially.

I feel like shit because I am not able to contribute any money to our family. I feel like all I do is spend. Not “spend” on myself, but spend at the grocery store, spend at the doctor’s visits, etc.

I’ve been sitting around, trying to figure out what to do. What could I get rid of? We don’t lead an elaborate life. I don’t buy clothes or go to fancy restaurants.

With the holidays, my birthday and the upcoming birth of this child coming up, I feel like it is all financial ruin. There goes my plans for cloth diapering. I mean, how can I even shell out that money upfront for the diapers?

How can two people who are so financially responsible, find themselves in this place? We have EXCELLENT credit. We don’t use credit cards. We bought a used car and live in a tiny apartment.

I’ve tried to think of everything. Freelancing never works out. I can’t even get BlogAds for this site because they are “invite only” now and well, I haven’t been invited. Do you think Starbucks wants to hire a heavily pregnant woman for the Christmas season???


I don’t know if I can do the birthing center anymore and it just tears me up. The thought of the hospital makes me cringe. The thought of spending all that money at the birth center makes me cringe. The thought of spending more money just because it makes me “happier” just isn’t right.

I don’t know what to do. I guess, that if I decide on the birth center, I do not want anything for my birthday or Christmas. I honestly wish that family wouldn’t spend anything either and instead just donate the $20 or $50 they would have spent to help with the costs.

So, until then, anyone want to buy a kidney?

(PS email still not working. In order for it to work, I have to spend more money to upgrade my account with my web host. Ha! Get it? Spend MORE MONEY?! yeah. So, if you want to send me email you have to send it to SARCASTICJOURNALIST AT GMAIL DOT COM.)

52 Responses to “Turns out, the river is 500 miles away”

  1. Christine
    November 10th, 2005 17:49

    Oh, do you have United Healthcare too? I hate to drop names, but United Healthcare, if you’re listening, you suck.

    I’m totally with you. My son had surgery last year for his cleft lip. There is not one single plastic surgeon in my area that is in our network. And there is no way in h@ll I was driving my baby an hour away at 5 o’clock in the morning. Only to drive him home again for another hour while he felt like somebody just punched him in the face. So I had to pay 30% of the bill instead of 10%. Sucked with a big huge capital S.

    I know, I’m not making you feel any better. But I feel your pain.

  2. Mir
    November 10th, 2005 18:03

    Gah. I harbor extreme hateration for most insurance.

    Try calling a rep for your HMO (or whatever) and seeing if there’s any way around it, some sort of petition or SOMETHING. It’s one thing if the alternative is comparable (in their eyes, even if we all know it’s not), but to force you hours away?? RIDICULOUS. And probably a technicality that MAY be something you can get around. Maybe. Perhaps your doctor can help you petition. Who knows.

    So. First: have some chocolate. Once you feel better: get on the phone.

  3. Texas T-bone
    November 10th, 2005 18:09

    Our health care system is among the best in the world, but the costs have gotten way out of hand. It would probably be cheaper to launch you into space so you could have your kid on the moon. And just think, the gravitational force of the launch would make you dizzy enough so you wouldn’t need an epidural.

  4. D
    November 10th, 2005 18:58

    You can have a nice drug-less birth in a hospital. You may not have all the birthing balls, and whirlpool tubs, but it can be done, I did it. Can you use the hospital, and hire a doula? You could call around and I bet if you explained your situation you could hire one for pretty cheap. Have her meet you at the hospital and you could have a birthing center experience with hospital prices.

  5. Erin
    November 10th, 2005 19:00

    Insurance blows. Fat nuts.

    Also? I’d like to buy a kidney! I only have one that works, and the pregnant-er I get, the less it works.

    Unfortunately, I can only offer you $14.72 because that’s all I have in my bank account.

    Also, look into this - it is possible to have an unmedicated, normal, natural birth in a hospital. Could that be a solution for you?

  6. Bente
    November 10th, 2005 19:01

    I’ve seen alot of people put up paypal donations on their sites for a ton of different reasons. Anything from a camera to a couch to an operation. The readers of their sites always seem to be willing to help, maybe you could try that?

  7. Sara
    November 10th, 2005 19:07

    I had my natural birth in an ambulance. The delivery only cost me $200 after insurance and it was natural, all right. But…that’s probably not going to work out for you.
    Seriously, I’d totally donate ($10-$20) and I think you could get enough donations from all of your lovely ‘net friends. Or maybe Very Mom can send up her midwife? :)

  8. perl
    November 10th, 2005 19:10

    Perhaps you could see if the birthing center would help you obtain an ad-hoc agreement with the bastards at the ins co. That’s like giving the birthing center temporary in-network status. The ins co people like to use weird jargon (like ad-hoc) to scare the uninitiated. Don’t give up yet! Gotta fight fire with fire, biiiatch! And those insurance companies are nasty. Keep us posted!

  9. Jenny
    November 10th, 2005 19:13

    Hi SJ- I’ve been a lurker for over a year, but this is my first comment. I just feel for you! I think it is super important that you be able to birth where you want to- you only get to do this birth once, and it is worth the sacrifices and money. People spend thousands of dollars on their wedding, but not on their birth experiences. That being said, I understand how you can’t make money appear that doesn’t exist! I have a few suggestions for you: 1. put up a pay-pal donation thing. I would for sure contribute, and I’m sure a lot of your readers would as well. 2. ask all of your relatives who would have bought you, the hubs, and ellie gifts this year for xmas to instead contribute $$. ellie isn’t going to miss the gifts this year. 3. i highly recommend getting on the discussion boards at mothering.com (my hippie friends!)- they have an excellent forum and lots of their posters would have great suggestions for you to get reimbursed by your insurance company. I’ve seen people post on there who were told that they would have to pay 100% of the costs get it all covered in the end. Those ladies are persistent and have excellent ideas for working the system to your advantage. I’ll be sending good vibes your way, and watching for a donation link…

  10. clickmom
    November 10th, 2005 19:23

    Our insurance company always says no to everything. When we call and pester enough, they occasionally send a little more moolak our way. Have you called and asked to speak to someone above the person you are speaking to? Do it about 6 times to finally get to someone in charge. Keep track of the times and names of the people you speak to, when you start mentioning these you sound like you’ll never give up. THey respond to that.

  11. shannon
    November 10th, 2005 20:36

    The insurance stuff I will never understand, because those networks never make any sense to me.
    But if you want to cloth diaper, there are ways of doing it without it costing a ton of money. I’d be happy to direct you to some resources if you like. :)

  12. Kellerbell
    November 10th, 2005 20:43

    I had a completely natural water birth with a midwife in a Hospital when my daughter was born. Maybe you should check with your local hospitals. Quite a few near me offer it.

  13. Chika
    November 10th, 2005 20:45

    I’m all for the pay-pal thing - heck, I know I’D donate!! My hubs (who doesn’t read blogs except over my shoulder) even says HE’D donate!! And then, if all your wonderful readers who are addicted to your blog pay for your birthing centre experience, you can still do the cloth-diapering. YAY!

  14. Chika
    November 10th, 2005 20:45

    I’m all for the pay-pal thing - heck, I know I’D donate!! My hubs (who doesn’t read blogs except over my shoulder) even says HE’D donate!! And then, if all your wonderful readers who are addicted to your blog pay for your birthing centre experience, you can still do the cloth-diapering. YAY!

  15. Crystal
    November 10th, 2005 20:55

    ((((SJ))))) Sorry this is turning out to be a big mess. I hope it all works out for you and your family.

  16. Chasity
    November 10th, 2005 22:03

    Both of the hospitals I have delivered in in my city had in-hospital birthing centers. At both, I had a midwife present and a spa tub in the room. The one I delivered in this summer was wonderful with lactation consultants and nice nurses. You should look into the hospitals near you and see if any of them have birthing centers or family centers on site. If not, you should definitely urge family (and friends!) to donate so you can have a beautiful birthing experience. You don’t want to go through it with negative, resentful feelings. That won’t make it any easier.

  17. honey bunny
    November 10th, 2005 22:13

    i’m sorry to hear this, SJ. insurance sucks the big one. my husband is having the hardest time just ADDING me to his plan since we’re married now. so frustrating!

    and i couldn’t leave a comment on your other post, but i wanted to say MY EYES! i never wanted to have kids, but after seeing a head sticking out of a cooter, i REALLY don’t want any! oh, and don’t worry about your pubes. no one will care. just make sure jizzy comes out ok :)

  18. Lisa
    November 10th, 2005 22:25

    Hey are you crafty in anyway? Like quilting then you could set up a giveaway and people could buy tickets to win the item? I am not so sure about the paypal donation thing. I dont know I just dont know if I would feel right doing that myself. I would donate to yours but I just dont know if I would ever feel right setting up one for myself.

  19. Victoria
    November 10th, 2005 22:50

    If you haven’t already, I would suggest touring your network’s hospital(s) to see what their OB units are like and ask about unmedicated and no medical intervention births there. They may be better than you imagine.
    Good luck!

  20. surcie
    November 10th, 2005 22:58

    Just chiming in to say, I hope everything works out just the way you want, SJ.

  21. Steph.
    November 10th, 2005 23:08

    Have you tried calling the birthing center and talking with them about the insurance issues? I know this sounds strange, but a lot of times people on the “inside” know loopholes or ways to get the insurance to PAY for it. It is worth a try! If that doesn’t work, you might look into a doula. A friend of mine in Austin did that and she had the baby in a hospital. It sounded much more like the type of birth you are hoping for than the standard hospital delivery. Maybe it is a compromise that you might feel better about.

    Hang in there!

  22. rachael
    November 10th, 2005 23:36

    hey hon (and i just love commenting before i read the comments, because i’m just so selfish that way), i’m sorry you’re in this position; the birth center that i had my little guy at isn’t covered by insurance at all, period point blank, and so $3600 was the cost to us for that.

    we’re in a terribly bad financial spot right now (and have been for about a year), so needless to say we still owe them half of that and it was like pulling teeth to pay them what little we were able to each month during my pregnancy.

    i hope you can work it out to go to the birth center - i believe that every pregnant woman should have anything they feel that they need. i’ll put in my two cents with the man upstairs too, just for you. ’cause i like you like that (and NO, i don’t mean that in a creepy way!).

  23. Autumn
    November 11th, 2005 00:06

    Bah. I have c-section births and my insurance is where I pay 10% of that as well. That means, for my babies and me, two years in a row, close to 2k out of my pocket each time.

    My husband and I are financially responsible as well, that’s why we have nothing because we paid off and cut up our credit cards.

    So about the births…Know what I did? I cried.

    I cried and got on a payment plan with the hospital for $125 a month. It’s paid off.

    Do what makes you happy. It’s your baby. It’s your vagina. It’s the birth of your kid. It’s not like you’re getting Botox or something selfish.

    Payment Plan. Look into it.


  24. coolbeans
    November 11th, 2005 00:23

    I’m sorry you’re struggling with this decision. I want you to give birth where you want to. I second the recommendations to call the birthing center and the insurance company and trying to negotiate.

    Cloth diapering isn’t out of the question yet, either. You can buy a small stash relatively inexpensively. I will help you put it together if you like. Natural Babies has a layaway option. Some of my favorite cloth diapers were bought used.

  25. ivory
    November 11th, 2005 00:39

    gah - i am in the exact same situation right now, except they actually told me that they would cover my birth center, got my all excited, let me start seeing the midwife, and then said HAHA - we lied. go back to your scary dr and his 12 interns. because they think it is funny to make a 36 week pregnant woman cry. bastards.

  26. danelle
    November 11th, 2005 01:15

    Have you toured the hospital’s birthing area lately? A lot of hospitals have really gone haywire making themselves as much of a “birthing center” as possible. Heck, my dad just had his gall bladder out and when I called down to order his lunch the kitchen answered “room service” haha!

  27. Louise
    November 11th, 2005 02:29

    I just hope that everything works out for you. You could, of course, give birth at home in your own bathtub, but I can just imagine you getting out afterwards and scrubbing the tub right away. So no.
    I’m totally with everyone who says PayPal or something else– seriously, auction off some of your baking on eBay. Anything. I hate to think of you giving birth someplace that makes you unhappy.

  28. Susan
    November 11th, 2005 02:47

    You only need half your liver to survive. One kidney + half liver = birthing center.

    Or, I’d pledge a cool 20 bucks to a pay-pal thingy. It’s not much, and I would expect many awesome posts about The Birth of Baby Jizzy in return. Take it or leave it.

  29. Stefanie
    November 11th, 2005 02:57

    I agree that you should set up a paypal thing. OR sell meth. I feel that selling meth would be more profitable but the upfront costs would be tougher. You need a lab, a shitload of Sudafed etc. Oh yeah, and it’s illegal. Another thing, with the holidays coming up you could dress like Santa and take collections for “Salvation Army” I bet no one would suspect it’s for your BIRTHING CENTER!

    Don’t worry, I’ll keep thinking of more ideas!

  30. AMP
    November 11th, 2005 06:57

    Bah! I’m gonna have to express how sucky our system is, financially. The birth of my daughter last year, and one week in NICU cost us $63,000! We didn’t have maternity insurance because we were self-employed and couldn’t afford it, so we knew we’d have to finance the birth ourselves (about $12,000 plus about $8,000 for pre-natal), but w/complications to both Mom and baby, we got a bill for $60 grand. We had to sell our home and pretty much everything else to pay for some of it. And we’re making payments on the rest for another 5 years.

    So yea. The System sucks balls.

  31. Girl
    November 11th, 2005 09:23

    Awww, SJ! You are going to be giving birth. I think that entitles you to spend a little more money if it makes your experience more comfortable.

    And nobody ever invites me for those BlogAds either.

  32. Jaci
    November 11th, 2005 10:16

    I like the above-stated paypal donation idea…but the idea of a giveaway or raffle is a fun one…a personalized drawing by your daughter or something fun that you put together. You’ve got a great fan-base and as someone who’s afraid of birthing centers but wants to try that option next, I’d love to hear about how it went for you- without the stress of the money thing.

    How can your readers help?

  33. Nothing But Bonfires
    November 11th, 2005 10:26

    We could have a benefit. You know, like a gala with a silent auction and rich people in fancy clothes bidding on things. We could all just watch from the sidelines while people argued over who was going to pay more for that vacation in St. Tropez.

    Or just a bake sale. Or a car wash.

    But seriously, I agree with the calling-the-birthing-center-and-seeing-if-they-can-help idea. A friend of mine was recently charged $550 for some allergy shots. When she had absolute hysterics over the phone, and told them she was a freelance writer and just couldn’t PAY $550, they say “oh, okay, pay $50 then.” Apparently it helps to drop the phrase “self-pay” into the conversation. It’s, like, code for “the insurance system sucks and I refuse to pay all this money, please do something about it.”

    Can’t hurt to try, right? I’ve got my fingers crossed for you. Which is making it hard to type.

  34. Erica
    November 11th, 2005 10:41

    Stupid “in” network!!!!! I am having the same issue, only not with hospitals, but with doctors of the “mental health” profession. Turns out if I need to talk to someone about the ridiculous amount of anxiety I am feeling, I need to go to the E.R. instead of a doctor’s office, because that would be covered. Eh? Yeah, I hate “in” network. And we’re on freakin’ cobra coverage right now. I feel like I’m the insurance companies’ biyatch.

    I feel the same way about not working in a “traditional” job. I can’t find freelance work either right now, and I’ve always worked-but now I am so pregnant (due around the same time as you) that I know I just can’t get hired, and it’s really, really depressing. I don’t like feeling that hubby brings in the $ and I don’t contribute. HATE that.

    Hang in there-I really hope you can find a solution to this. You’re in my thoughts and prayers.

  35. Erica
    November 11th, 2005 10:47

    Oops, I forgot to mention something. I was actually told that if you need a doctor (or in your case birthing center) that is covered by your insurance and the closest “in” network provider is over 50 or 60 miles away, that they will make an “out of network” provider become an in network provider.

    I haven’t contacted my company to see if this is true, but like another poster mentioned, you might at least call them and see what can be done-they shouldn’t expect you to drive two hours to give birth.

  36. Beth
    November 11th, 2005 11:44

    Believe me I know you feel like your the only one in the world with the lack of funds for anything…but your not, I feel that way too! And I get so upset and so frusated that I just rant and rave. Unlike you we have crappy credit but like you we live in a small apartment and don’t live above our means. If anything we live WAY below. And I still feel like we knee deep in water and steadily drowing. And don’t even get me started on x-mas!! Just remember to relax and breath deep..no matter where you decide to have little jizzy it will be wonderful because in the end your coming out with an amazing gift. Hang in there girl!!

  37. Happay
    November 11th, 2005 12:22

    I know things will work out for you. Regardless of where you have Little Jizzy - you will be having Little Jizzy and you are going to love him the same no matter where he’s born. And, I know the money things sucks. We’re constantly in that state of things. Having a husband in graduate school is about the same as having only one working parent. You don’t have to give up your desire to have cloth diapers, but you might have to give up your desire to have fancy and very decorated cloth diapers. I watched and waited until pocked diapers - Wonderoos - went on sale. We got 18 of them for $160. We put 2 Chinese pre-fold diapers inside the pocket. The diapers have snaps on the outside and they come in an assortment of plain colors. So, E’s been in the same diapers since he was about 1 month old. (His butt was just too little for the diapers when he was first born.) We’ve saved a bundle on the cost of disposable diapers. You could even switch Ellie over to them. Why bother with sizing up every couple of months? Get the diapers that grow with the kid and you’ll put out probably less than $200 for all the diapers you will ever need.

    I know you can be resourceful. Try not to get too down.

  38. Annika
    November 11th, 2005 12:32

    I hope you can find a work-around. What a ridiculous idea - driving two hours away while in labor.

    I can’t pledge any financial assistance, since we’re broke and paying out-of-pocket for our midwife (3600 plus any lab fees - yikes!), but I have every intention of cloth diapering and I’d happily send a couple your way. Just say the word.

  39. Jeanette
    November 11th, 2005 13:13

    *looks for a paypal link*

    I’ll be back tomorrow to look again.

  40. mp
    November 11th, 2005 14:29

    ergs - insurance hassles are the worst - I’m so sorry. I think the option of a “natural” birth in a hospital is a good one. Most hospitals even have midwives. Definitely look into that.

    But I wanted to reassure you that you CAN still cloth diaper little jizzy. Never fear! It doesn’t sound like too many people you know in WPL have cloth diapers they could loan you, but maybe there are some children resale shops near you that you can buy second-hand? There are a few like that near me. I cloth diaper and have had both a service and do-it-yourself laundering. DIY isn’t so bad - I’m washing a load right now, in fact. Yes, the upfront costs can seem daunting, but only if you buy into the roll-royce style of diapering. THAT’S pricey. If you go low-tech, like me, it’s really not that much and it saves you a bundle. I use simple cloth diapers - rectangle diaper-service style. I use pins. Don’t let the thought of pinning diapers freak you out - they’re not hard or time consuming to do. I fold the diaper right there under my 2 year old as I do the change. Lickety split. And I pin, because pinning just keeps everything cleaner because more of the diaper is around your kid. And we all know how messy poops can be. MESSY! And most of the time I use the old-school pull-on vinyl/plastic pant for a cover. I think I paid $5 for a pack of 3. Cost prohibitive? I think not. They’re not nearly as stylish or cute as the myriad of other options, but they work and really, we’re talking about DIAPERS here - who’s really gonna see them? I also use DiaperWraps as a cover, and I think I paid $10 for a pack of 2. Also not bad. AND? I made a couple of wool soakers. Good call. I have options! And I always use a disposable at night because, well, it’s just easier and more absorptive. I may use cloth, but I’m lazy. I wash diapers once to twice a week. That’s it. And if you’re really in a bind, you can sometimes buy used diaper-service diapers that they take out of rotation, or even make them. If you have a sewing machine, or know someone who does, you can make diapers. REally. So don’t give up the hope of using cloth - it really is much, much cheaper over the long run and will save you major $$’s. Plus, it’s cool.

    Good luck, SJ!

  41. Dawn
    November 11th, 2005 15:47

    S.J., I work for a large well-known health insurance company, and I can tell you that we do NOT penalize our insureds for going out-of-network if the nearest in-network facility is over 50 miles away. We also do NOT penalize if they go to an out-of-network facility in an emergency.
    So, I think the rep you talked to didn’t understand your situation. Call back; ask to talk to a supervisor if the next rep you talk to says the same thing.

  42. iamanerd
    November 11th, 2005 16:17

    Just move to Canada

  43. Sarcastic Journalist
    November 11th, 2005 16:21

    Nerd, I suggested that yesterday to my husband! He didn’t seem to take the bait.

  44. Torrie
    November 11th, 2005 16:51

    Did you get my email? (I sent it to your Gmail address)
    People haven’t been receiving my emails lately.
    Fucking AOL.

  45. Kirsty
    November 11th, 2005 19:38

    That sucks SJ, just not what any pregnant lady needs to hear. Making a woman in labour go 2 hours away is just nuts.

    Being a Brit I have no specifically helpful suggestions about what to do about the insurance company but I have found when dealing with companies generally that lots of phone calls can work wonders.

    Do you have a local freecycle group in your area? Perhaps someone on there might have cloth diapers to get rid off?

    Also, I have very money at the moment but I’d still happily donate $10 - put up a paypal button and let us help, we want to.

  46. Kirsty
    November 11th, 2005 19:39

    Bah, it’s late here, that last part should have read ‘very little money’.

  47. casemnor
    November 11th, 2005 21:44

    1. All I can say is what you told me at pre-induction freak out…in the end, all that matters is that baby in your arm. That being said, it still sucks donkey dick to not be able to do things as you’d like, especially since you aren’t asking for the world on a platter…just to be able to choose were to squeeze the baby out. I’m so very sorry.
    2. I have the wraps, and some spare chinese prefolds…not as handy as the fitteds, but will do (also make GREAT spit rags).
    3. The belly could not be cuter, nor the polka dot room! you are so crafty.
    4. How will you ever afford the japanese lessons and gymkhana now?

  48. robyn
    November 13th, 2005 08:21

    Autumn’s story above is exactly like ours - except we’re on an 80/20 PPO plan so we owed about $3500 for the first son and over $2K for the second one (born just 16 months apart). In fact, we paid off the first son’s birth in a payment plan and made the final payment on 6/1 of this year — our second son was born on 6/16. They were willing to work with us for a montly payment we COULD afford in our budget, so I’d call the birthing center and see if they’re willing to do the same — and, as others have mentioned, to see what they suggest in getting your insurance to pay more. You’re not the first person to (want) to birth there with your insurance most likely, and they should know the ropes. I know how overwhelming it all is when you’re this far along, so have the Mr. and your mom help you if need-be. Thinking of you!

  49. Emily G.
    November 13th, 2005 11:45

    Good luck. I know how you feel about only spending and spending and not even on yourself - when I wasn’t working but my husband was this past summer I quickly started feeling useless and horrible and wasteful. Even though I wasn’t spending money on myself. Funny how people work, isn’t it?

    Again, good luck. I hope you get to have the birth you want at the price you deserve (as low as possible!)

  50. chris
    November 13th, 2005 12:48

    i so know what you mean about being only a consumer and not a contributor to family finances. still there, still hating it. this new baby’s birth deserves anything you can do to make it the best you can. work those phones, girl, that’s one thing you can do from the couch! there are lots of us pulling for you out here!

  51. kim
    November 15th, 2005 03:58

    After seeing those photos, I have never been more happy with my three c-setions. I wear my scar with pride knowing that my vag has never looked like that.

    I’m so sorry to be the 900th person to say so, but this is the failure of your US medical system. I have a lots of room in my home and live 5 minutes from a hospital with a brand new maternity ward. Canadian babies are just as lovable as American ones ;-)

  52. manon
    November 19th, 2005 18:50

    texas t-bone, you say your healthcare system is amongst the best in the world, you have gotta be kidding, we lived there for 5 years, my kids were given the wrong immunisations, everything was handwritten rather than going straight onto a computer and therefore more mistakes could be made, and above all else it was sooo expensive, I’m back in Europe now where everything is free and far far better,

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